Tag: Antoine Vermette

  • What Did It Cost You?

    What Did It Cost You?

    The last time Stan Bowman came out to open his mouth and find out with the rest of us what would come out of it, and a continuing theme the Hawks have hid behind, is that the price for “going for it” every season there for a bit cost them their future. Which is what we’re living with now. And it seems reasonable, but I thought I’d go a little more into it than just taking it by word.

    I’m going to start with 2015, even though that season ended with a Cup and no one’s complaining at least about Antoine Vermette. Before that was six years ago, and even picks the Hawks gave up then would be veterans now that the Hawks likely wouldn’t be able to afford anyway. This is also going to assume that the Hawks would have nailed even any of these picks, much less all of them. But we will see who might have ended up as a Hawk if they still were making those pick. So let’s review:

    2015

    Antoine Vermette – Acquired for Klas Dahlbeck and 1st round pick (30th)

    Coyotes drafted: Nick Merkley

    Players that followed immediately: Christian Fischer, Travis Dermott, Sebastien Aho, Brandon Carlo

    Clearly, Merkley never became anything. And again, the Hawks won the Cup that year, so this is what you sacrifice. But clearly, any of the four taken directly after Merkley would have been a huge help to the Hawks going forward. Even Dermott would have been the best defensive prospect they’ve produced other than Boqvist. Aho…d’oh.

    Kimmo Timonen – Acquired for 2015 2nd round pick (61st) and 2016 2nd round pick (52nd)

    Maple Leafs drafted (2015): Jeremy Bracco 

    Players that followed immediately: Kyle Copabianco

    Flyers Drafted (2016): Wade Allison

    Players that followed immediately: Filip Hronek, Dillon Dube

    Not as damaging as what came before. In 2016, Hronke would have definitely made this Hawks roster and showed some promise, while Dube probably could have been a useful bottom-sixer. Or he would have gotten the Dylan Sikura treatment for no reason other than the Hawks didn’t see him fight the one night they were scouting Rockford. Who knows?

    2016

    Andrew Ladd – Acquired for Marko Dano, 1st rounder in 2016 and conditional pick in 2018

    Pick later traded to Flyers, drafted: German Rubstov

    Players that followed immediately: Henrik Borgstrom, Max Jones, Tage Thompson, Brett Howden

    Didn’t miss out on much here, but Howden would have been nice.

    Dale Weise and Tomas Fleischmann – Acquired for Phillip Danault and 2018 2nd round pick

    Canadiens Drafted: Alex Romanov

    Player that immediately followed: No one

    So Bowman can bemoan going all in all the time cost them the future, but this trade is more than that. It’s just bad. Fleischmann and Weise weren’t as valuable as Danault was that season, let alone what would come after. And deep down, we knew that at the time. This was splurging for the sake of splurging. And from the draft that they gave up a pick from, they didn’t really miss anything, although Howden’s future looks promising, except he hasn’t done much in the NHL yet. So he wouldn’t really be pulling the Hawks out of their current spot, just promising a better future than they have now.

    2017

    Johnny Oduya – Acquired for Mark McNeill and 2018 4th round pick

    Dallas Drafted: Adam Mascherin

    Players that immediately followed: No one

    The Hawks didn’t really go all in at this deadline, as they were in first and felt pretty good about themselves, even if it felt like it was all on stilts at the time. McNeill never went on to be anything, and there’s no one from the fourth round of the 2018 draft who has mattered yet.

    So looking back on all this, on the surface it seems like the Hawks sacrificed a lot to win in ’15 and try again the next two years. But the only cost really was that 1st round pick for Vermette. Now, maybe the Hawks would have taken Sebastien Aho, and things would look awfully different right now. Even Brandon Carlo would have changed the trajectory a bit. But how much?

    At this point, this is deflection from the front office. The Danault trade was just bad. That wasn’t a sacrifice, that was idiocy. Extending Anisimov immediately to try and justify giving up a fan favorite in Brandon Saad for him wasn’t a sacrifice, it was idiocy (coming from on high). That cost you Teuvo Teravainen.

    And the players Stan did draft, as the Hawks haven’t been bereft of picks, have been hit and miss. They’re not exceptionally good at it, but they’re not bad at it either. Still, on this current team, only Boqvist, Dach, and Debrincat look like Hawks draft picks that will make a difference for the Hawks. That’s just not good enough. That’s not about sacrifice, at least not entirely.

    Again, this is Stan hiding while trying to justify his continued employment. And it looks thinner and thinner every day.

     

  • Monday Bits And Bobs

    Monday Bits And Bobs

    We’ve reached the Space Madness portion of the offseason, so you’ll have to excuse us if the posts get even more sparse around here. We’re all waiting for the Hawks to sign some forward still sitting on the shelves, and they’re probably waiting until the 15th when Jimmy Vesey goes free agent and see if they can get him. While I’m not sold, he probably comes cheaper than those who are still waiting and could be effective. I’m sorry if we won’t be doing posts about whatever Hawk put his fucking house up for sale. Because who gives a shit, really?

    Anyway, some news today elsewhere:

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  • Start The Machine: Hawks at Ducks Game 5 Preview/Pregame Thread/Whiffle Ball Tournament

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    Puck Drop: 8pm Central 

    TV/RADIO: NBCSN, CBC Up ‘Dere, WGN Radio 720

    IN LINE AT SPACE MOUNTAIN: Anaheim Calling. Battle Of California

    And now we get to the business end. Someone’s leaving on the brink tonight. And it’s become something of a race to see which happens first: The Hawks lose their legs or the Ducks lose their minds.

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  • You Gotta Keep ‘Em Separated: Ducks 4 – Hawks 5 OT (Series Tied 2-2)

    You Gotta Keep ‘Em Separated: Ducks 4 – Hawks 5 OT (Series Tied 2-2)

    Box Score

    Event Summary

    War On Ice

    Natural Stat Trick

    Even the next day I’m not sure where to begin this. So let’s flip it and look at it how a Ducks fan (if there is such a thing) might look at it. You still haven’t lost in regulation, and had Corey Crawford not put on two borderline-incredible overtime performances in Games 2 and 4, this series might already be over. Your 3rd period magic has now worked both ways, in that the Ducks were able to protect leads, and rather easily, rather easily in Games 1 and 3. And then there was that comeback, which has been a Ducks specialty this season, in Game 4. You’ve rolled the Hawks in the overtimes, they still only have four ES goals in the series. So yeah, things probably look pretty rosy, even if you think you can’t waste a three goals in 37 seconds burst like that.

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  • You Gotta Keep 'Em Separated: Ducks 4 – Hawks 5 OT (Series Tied 2-2)

    You Gotta Keep 'Em Separated: Ducks 4 – Hawks 5 OT (Series Tied 2-2)

    Box Score

    Event Summary

    War On Ice

    Natural Stat Trick

    Even the next day I’m not sure where to begin this. So let’s flip it and look at it how a Ducks fan (if there is such a thing) might look at it. You still haven’t lost in regulation, and had Corey Crawford not put on two borderline-incredible overtime performances in Games 2 and 4, this series might already be over. Your 3rd period magic has now worked both ways, in that the Ducks were able to protect leads, and rather easily, rather easily in Games 1 and 3. And then there was that comeback, which has been a Ducks specialty this season, in Game 4. You’ve rolled the Hawks in the overtimes, they still only have four ES goals in the series. So yeah, things probably look pretty rosy, even if you think you can’t waste a three goals in 37 seconds burst like that.

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  • Thinkin' Out Loud – Game 4 – Ducks vs Hawks Preview, Pregame Thread, Neurologist Appointment

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    Game Time: 7:00PM Central
    TV/Radio:  NBC, CBC, TVA, WGN-AM 720
    All The Answers: Anaheim Calling, Battle Of California

    In Joel Quenneville’s seven year tenure as the Hawks’ coach, there has not been a single postseason wherein his squad has not trailed in a series at some point, including twice in each respective year that ended in a parade. So tonight’s Game 4 at home against the Ducks is not new territory for his team. But Game 3 certainly rocketed up the charts as one of his all-time coaching boners in what is already a greatest hits collection. The Ducks took advantage, and now tonight results in a crucial, near must-win for the home team.

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  • Thinkin’ Out Loud – Game 4 – Ducks vs Hawks Preview, Pregame Thread, Neurologist Appointment

    draft_lens1960363module9273829photo_1209145008daffy-duck-donald-duck vs oldschool

    Game Time: 7:00PM Central
    TV/Radio:  NBC, CBC, TVA, WGN-AM 720
    All The Answers: Anaheim Calling, Battle Of California

    In Joel Quenneville’s seven year tenure as the Hawks’ coach, there has not been a single postseason wherein his squad has not trailed in a series at some point, including twice in each respective year that ended in a parade. So tonight’s Game 4 at home against the Ducks is not new territory for his team. But Game 3 certainly rocketed up the charts as one of his all-time coaching boners in what is already a greatest hits collection. The Ducks took advantage, and now tonight results in a crucial, near must-win for the home team.

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  • Angry At Numbers

    Angry At Numbers

    Haven’t done one of these in a while, and as the Hawks sit on the precipice of being halfway to another Grant Park Drunkening, seems like a good time to do it. Let’s get to it.

    63%

    That’s the third line’s Corsi-percentage over the past two games. In case you’re new to us and/or these analytics, 55% would be considered dominant. Now, only one of those games did that line see heavy offensive zone starts, and last night their zone starts were pretty evenly split between the o-zone, neutral zone, and d-zone. That’s the third line. 3rd. #3. In case you want to know what separates the Hawks right now.

    447

    That’s the career goals currently on the Hawks’ third line. It doesn’t really mean much, it just makes me feel good to see.

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  • See A Little Light: Wild 1 – Hawks 4 (Hawks Lead 2-0)

    See A Little Light: Wild 1 – Hawks 4 (Hawks Lead 2-0)

    Box Score

    Event Summary

    War On Ice

    Natural Stat Trick

    Coming into this one, the main story was always going to be how Mike Yeo adjusted the way his troops went about playing this one, and would the d-men who all made mistakes in Game 1 leading to goals would tighten up or not. Yeo did change tack, and it was the Hawks’ d-men who certainly tightened up. Sadly for Minnehaha, Ryan Suter most certainly did not.

    The Wild came into this one deciding to lean heavily on what they do best, and that is gobble up space in the neutral zone and keep things to the perimeter in their zone. While it wasn’t an out-and-out trap, it certainly was more conservative than they were in Game 1. On the surface, it makes total sense. As we said in the program tonight, when judging how things were going for each goalie in these playoffs, the Wild did seem more likely to win a 2-1 game than they do a 4-3 one.

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  • Seen Your Video – Game 1 – Wild vs Hawks Preview, Pregame Thread, SVU Marathon

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    Game Time: 8:30PM Central
    TV/Radio: NBCSN, SportsNet (Anglo), TVA3 (Franco), WGN-AM 720
    Mall of America: Hockey Wilderness

    And so it was fated to be, for the third year in a row, and the second in the West semifinals, that the Hawks and Wild would meet. And for the first time out of those three, there is a feeling across the hockey community that the Wild will be more than just a foil or a speedbump for the Hawks.

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